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« le: Décembre 05, 2002, 07:05:27 »

A votre avis, lorsqu'un graffeur sort sa propre marque de sape "graff" (comme ca se fait de plus en plus de nos jours decidemment...) est-ce que c'est une evolution naturel et logique du processus du "graffeur" qui evolue dans son esprit et son art, ou est-ce qu'a votre avis il s'est en quelque sorte "vendu"??
Moi pour ma part, cela m'est venu naturellement de faire ma propre sape, ca a ete une sorte d'evolution logique...

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« Répondre #1 le: Décembre 06, 2002, 04:07:29 »

Dans certain cas cala peut s'apparenter a du graffiti prostitution..
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« Répondre #2 le: Décembre 06, 2002, 10:04:44 »

je sais pas faut voir les sappes apres et ya aussi le probleme de savoir qui dessine reelement les collections, j ai lu dans une interview de banga que yavait des designers (pas forcemment des graffeurs) qui dessinaient pour plusieurs marques (dites "hip hop") a la fois.
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« Répondre #3 le: Décembre 06, 2002, 04:22:55 »

C'etait kelles marques tiens? juste par curiosite... ou est-ce qu'il ne cite pas de noms? Ca serait marrant de savoir, histoire de comparer le boulot de ces designers a celui de "vrais" graffeurs... Mais il fo aussi se dire que bons nombres de graffeurs evolues en meme temps de facon naturelle (avis perso) vers le Graphic Design... Combien de centaines de graffeurs connaissez vous qui font designer ou ecole d'art pla. ou encore bosse sur le web...?
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« Répondre #4 le: Décembre 07, 2002, 04:51:21 »

There are two types of graffiti prostitutes, of the first and the second kind.

Graffiti Prostitute of the First Kind -

It is the worst of the two kinds. This creature will distort history by selling his / her false soul
to a book author or to a film maker and by lying. Making up stories. Placing himself / herself at
a place in time that really never existed or will ever exist, a 'twilightzonical' situation.

It is the worst of the two types of "g" prostitutes because the film or book in question will remain
as a printed record filled with false data for future generations to also be misled.

Of course, this kind of "g" prostitute carries out this type of behavior for personal, selfish gain.
But in this mythical and self-serving process, the "g" prostitute of the first kind hurts the accuracy
of historical data on Aerosol Art.

The damage is worst if the book or movie in question really takes off and is very successful
in the public domain. Obviously, the more people who see or read this prostitute's garbage,
the greater the number of people who are at risk of being misled and misinformed, such
as it is the case of a lot of people in Europe who became aware of "graffiti" through Hip Hop,
and therefore, have been misled to believe the nonsense that "graffiti is one of the four elements
of Hip Hop." This suggestion is just as ludicrous as the suggestion that the U.S. gov't did not create Osama
and Sadamm and Batista, and Pinochet, and Noriega, and on and on...

Modern aerosol Writing as we know it,  was started in Philadelphia and NYC in the late '60s -
early '70s. Hip Hop was started in the late '70s. In this case, the chicken absolutely, positively
did not come before the egg. Instead, it was the other way around.




Graffiti Prostitute of the Second Kind -

This kind of graffiti prostitute is the one who sells his / her "tag" to be featured on anything
and everything from condoms to jeans to skate boards to toilet paper, in order to make a few
chump dollars.  

This poor creature is just that - poor, and must earn some chump change somehow in order
to survive. This is the kind of graffiti prostitute who labels himself or herself an
"entrepreneur." The same kind who will sell his/her "tag" for a few dollars @ eBay. Who knows,
with the advances in technology, it may be appropriate today to refer to this creature as
a 'cyber-graffiti prostitute.'

At times, this kind of graffiti prostitute will try to convince a bona fide Writing pioneer from
the real Old School of NYC Writing, to join him/her @ eBay for example, in an attempt to ride
the historical coattails of the legitimate Old School Writer.
 
Today, the majority of the public who visit eBay and are not familiar with the true history of
NYC Writing, run the risk of being further misled into believing a "g" prostitute's false "historical"
hype such as, "Yo!, I started 'bombing' in the early '70s." If the public sees, for example,
this "g" prostitute's tag alongside a "Stay High 149" signature being auctioned off for a few
chump dollars, the public has very little choice but to believe that the "g" prostitute is indeed a
"pioneer" and a "legend."

Although a graffiti prostitute of the second kind has the unethical qualifications to lie
about his / her place in time in the history of Aerosol Art, his / her behavior is not as
damaging to the history of Aerosol Art as a graffiti prostitute of the first kind's is,
but nevertheless, will sell all rights to his / her name without regard for where it may be
printed and how often it may be printed, therefore, truly losing out on the full benefit
of residual income. Some "entrepreneur," a true loser!



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« Répondre #5 le: Décembre 10, 2002, 11:59:48 »

perso je pense pas que ca vienne du fait que tu graffes. En graffant t'as developpé ton esprit de création ----> creation de saps, tu as une  implication dans le hip hop-------> saps typées hip hop.
C'est pas parce que tu graffes que tu as créé tes propres saps
. Je vois comme ca.
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